37 Threads found on edaboard.com: Finite Substrate ie3d
Does anybody know how to define finite substrate in ie3d 10.1 ?
Electromagnetic Design and Simulation :: 16.01.2004 01:26 :: whtu :: Replies: 1 :: Views: 1067
I am wondering if I can define finite substrate in ie3d. I find the default substrate size is too big. Thank you.
Electromagnetic Design and Simulation :: 27.01.2006 16:23 :: danda821 :: Replies: 15 :: Views: 1871
Im trying to model a patch antenna on a finite ground and substrate.I followed the manual in creating the finite substrate.But after the meshing when i try and simulate, it gives me an error message.
"remove current graph from list
remove current graph from list of simulating finite dielectrics"
Electromagnetic Design and Simulation :: 05.03.2008 13:56 :: d2_asimov :: Replies: 4 :: Views: 947
hi to all...need some help here..What is the different between simulation using infinite substrate and finite substrate in ie3d?Is that still applicable fabricate the antenna based from infinite simulation?Lastly,how to determined the dimension of the finite (...)
Electromagnetic Design and Simulation :: 12.03.2009 00:53 :: lovhana :: Replies: 2 :: Views: 1161
I have a question how can i draw finite substrate frame in ie3d software?
Electromagnetic Design and Simulation :: 05.07.2009 11:48 :: eng_romeo :: Replies: 0 :: Views: 833
It seems to me the infinite substrate explanation is counterintuitive. Shounldn't we expect the effect of finite substrate to be more significant when the antenna is spaced further away from the ground? But ghb described that results for 100mil spacing are bettern than those of 30mils.
More details of the design might be (...)
Electromagnetic Design and Simulation :: 11.10.2003 22:06 :: loucy :: Replies: 16 :: Views: 2532
I'm trying to simualte an antipodal Vivaldi antenna on ie3d but I don't know how to do it.
I would like to import both faces from two different dxf files, so inferior.dxf goes under the substrate, then the subtrate and the superior.dxf. I'm tryng to simulate a finite substrate big enough to hold both (...)
Electromagnetic Design and Simulation :: 03.01.2006 12:31 :: Buqpa :: Replies: 3 :: Views: 1479
1. What antenna is it? If it is a patch antenna with a reasonable size substrate, the radiation efficiency should normally between 50% to 90% in the resonance bandwidth. Surface wave is an important source of loss to efficiency. ie3d is normally quite accurate in predicting the radiaiton efficiency for such a case. If it is an an
Electromagnetic Design and Simulation :: 03.03.2006 13:27 :: jian :: Replies: 3 :: Views: 1074
On ie3d, the scattering field is defined as the field scattered instead of reflected. When you define infinite substrate, there is scattered field and reflected field. Reflected field is a plane wave when the incident wave is planewave. Scattered field is a spherical wave.
In some sense, if you model a patch on (...)
Electromagnetic Design and Simulation :: 18.12.2006 17:18 :: jian :: Replies: 1 :: Views: 978
I checked your model. It is ok. The pattern is not complete omni-directional. However, given the structure, it is like that.
There is a dip at theta = 90 degrees. It is caused by the infinite extended substrate. If you use finite substrate, the dip will be gone while the overall pattern shape is still (...)
Electromagnetic Design and Simulation :: 09.01.2007 16:37 :: jian :: Replies: 5 :: Views: 866
It should be due to the meshing density is not large enough or meshing may not be fully aligned. Meshing alignment is very important for finite dielectrics modeling. Also, we did not take into account of the Er of the finite substrate in estimating the waveguide wavelength. The Er of the finite (...)
Electromagnetic Design and Simulation :: 26.07.2008 20:16 :: jian :: Replies: 3 :: Views: 968
I've been using ie3d to make numerical calculation (simulation) on my MSA project.
It's a 3 layers patch antenna.
Until now, I've used the infinite ground plane and infinite substrate on ie3d.
The next step, I would like to use finite ground plane and finite (...)
Electromagnetic Design and Simulation :: 29.08.2008 04:01 :: 2cent :: Replies: 3 :: Views: 1290
I am trying to simulate a coaxial-probe-fed microstrip patch antenna to achieve some proven data.
I am using ie3d EM Design System , Version 14.04.
I used finite groundplane by defining No0. layer's conductivity to be 0, then drawing a rectangle as the metal ground.
I used the method from section 16.2 of the ie3d manual to (...)
Electromagnetic Design and Simulation :: 16.10.2008 10:39 :: mortarman :: Replies: 0 :: Views: 1081
Please help me to solve the problem of UWB antenna design , error message appeared to me when i pressed on simulation button and this message told me " The magentic current modeling with finite dielectrics has not been implemented."
I attached file design and snap shoot for error message.
Electromagnetic Design and Simulation :: 18.11.2009 03:46 :: eng_romeo :: Replies: 1 :: Views: 1060
I made design of UWB antenna with finite substrate and microstrip feed line , i want to know if there is any mistake in drawing (specially for finite substrate and port feed on edge) and the result of simulation takes much time , i attached file that have Hexagonal Antenna for UWB applications.
UWB antenna (...)
Electromagnetic Design and Simulation :: 30.11.2009 20:50 :: eng_romeo :: Replies: 1 :: Views: 1230
I have a simple 8 dipole design I want to simulate using Zelands ie3d but I cannot see how you specify the tracks on two sides of the FR4 substrate.
I can add substrates. OK
I can add tracks. OK
Basically its two "H" shapes like this:
Where the top of the "H" (squared off U shape) is on the top of the PCB and bottom of the "H" (...)
Electromagnetic Design and Simulation :: 10.08.2004 06:15 :: covenlink :: Replies: 1 :: Views: 1817
Ansoft ensemble and ansoft designer are not suitable for simulation of structures with finite ground plan.ie3d is better.
Electromagnetic Design and Simulation :: 06.01.2005 02:20 :: kamilia :: Replies: 3 :: Views: 2368
If there is any way you can get hold of Agilent Momentum or Zeland ie3d, those will be much better tools for this problem. The infinite dielectric comes for free. No worry about PMLs and you just mesh the surface of the metal of your circuit. Excitation is very easy too, just specify a port and let it analyze. I view ie3d as faster and (...)
Electromagnetic Design and Simulation :: 18.05.2005 20:55 :: rautio :: Replies: 1 :: Views: 1304
Here are some models (edge fed, infinite gnd & sub, finite gnd &/or sub) for the 8 GHz range. You can start from them.
I do want to warn you on the substrate thickness. The 2nd order mode should happen at about 30 GHz for a 0.35 mm thick substrate. Even you can use edge fed, microstrip lines in this (...)
Electromagnetic Design and Simulation :: 22.11.2005 11:39 :: jian :: Replies: 11 :: Views: 1632
For infinite gnd and substrate
1. You need to change the connector dia according to requirement.
2. Change feed impedance to 100 in Modua
For finite gnd and substrate just draw the entire feed including inner and outer conductor of the coaxial probe.
Hi to all,
I am presently engaged in design of folded (...)
RF, Microwave, Antennas and Optics :: 01.02.2006 09:11 :: g86 :: Replies: 2 :: Views: 837
here are some small guidelines,
try not to use FEM codes such as HFSS except for small antennas otherwise the simulation time would be extremely long.
The best software for this purpose are ie3d which has a trial version but does not support finite substrate (at least untill version 10) , CST Microwave studio and XFDTD. (...)
Electromagnetic Design and Simulation :: 13.04.2006 12:05 :: adel_48 :: Replies: 2 :: Views: 1205
1. I verified it to be good with Er up to 1000 about 10 years ago. For your Er=2100 case, I tried it on the attached t1.geo file. The results look reasonable. If you have measured data, I would be interested in comparing the results. You can send it to me at firstname.lastname@example.org.
2. The finite dielectrics feature in IE3
Electromagnetic Design and Simulation :: 25.04.2006 13:06 :: jian :: Replies: 2 :: Views: 573
It is simple. For example, you have draw the finite ground (or define an infinite ground) on z = 0. You also define the patch on z = 3 mm. You want to build a shorting plate from 3 to 0. What you can do is to select an edge of 2 vertices on the patch at z = 3. Select EDIT->ADD VIA ON EDGES command. Enter the END Z-COORDINATE = 0 an
RF, Microwave, Antennas and Optics :: 14.12.2006 23:10 :: jian :: Replies: 7 :: Views: 911
I'm using ie3d to do simulation in rectangular patch antenna. I'm faced some problem which is modelling of an probe-fed patch antenna with infinite ground plane. I'm cannot place the feed point to the patch. And i'm checked the ie3d manual that have not this example, only infinite ground. So below is my results (...)
RF, Microwave, Antennas and Optics :: 15.12.2006 03:22 :: Chest :: Replies: 7 :: Views: 1996
I don't see serious problem in your structure. I tried the finite ground plane model on it. It is slightly different from the infinite ground model. The difference is mainly due to the fact you chose very thin substrate for 10 GHz. In fact, there might be 2nd order mode in the transmission line due to the thick (...)
Electromagnetic Design and Simulation :: 13.01.2007 19:17 :: jian :: Replies: 7 :: Views: 724
the feko online/user manual explains how to define an edge port.The example folder of feko also contains a few examples for an edge fed rectangular patch antenna.
That is true but only for inifinite substrates. There are are no SEP examples with an edge port for a finite substrate!
Electromagnetic Design and Simulation :: 04.11.2009 09:20 :: gamba007 :: Replies: 3 :: Views: 2766
1. There are some movies on the web site you can watch to see how ie3d is being used.
2. At this time, finite dielectrics is not implemented into the ie3dLIBRARY interface. You can only define them in MGRID.
Electromagnetic Design and Simulation :: 04.04.2007 00:08 :: jian :: Replies: 1 :: Views: 622
It looks like you use the infinite substrate model of ie3d for this antenna. It is excellent for antennas radiatng mainly in other than 90 degree angles. However, The null at 90 degree s caused by the infinite substrate. You may want to use finite substrate (...)
Electromagnetic Design and Simulation :: 02.05.2007 11:02 :: jian :: Replies: 6 :: Views: 1323
There are only two choices:
1. Make a hole on an infinite ground (define horizontal polygons on the infinite ground to represent the slots on the ground)
2. Make a hole on a finite ground (use the way described by baraguru).
The 2 choices use different formulations to model it. However, there is no implemention for (...)
RF, Microwave, Antennas and Optics :: 10.09.2007 12:53 :: jian :: Replies: 9 :: Views: 1408
I simulate an antenna with substrate of large thickness(more than 10mm at 10GHz), and use the infinite ground plane, and advanced extension port, so how can I set up the the port to avoid the warning " the substrate thickness factor for port is too big",and "the ground separation/length radio for port is too big", and could get the high (...)
Electromagnetic Design and Simulation :: 17.05.2008 14:55 :: sahar20 :: Replies: 2 :: Views: 901
I am trying to set up a model in ie3d for a printed dipole.
The problem is how to definite the finite FR4 substrate.
Please help me.
Electromagnetic Design and Simulation :: 29.10.2008 05:11 :: mysonic :: Replies: 1 :: Views: 1144
In ie3d help, you can find how to define finite ground plane.
In the basic parameter menu, use sigma=0 for Ztop=0; it means that there is no infinite ground. Then you can define all the layer you need (please see the manual of ie3d).
Electromagnetic Design and Simulation :: 09.02.2009 04:35 :: shameemkabir :: Replies: 3 :: Views: 1235
Hi,I'm now using ie3d software to draw my antenna design.Currently,I only draw out the patch and assume there is infinite ground plane.I'm using coaxial probe feed technique.But how can I define my dimension for my dielectric substrate since I cannot see the substrate block appear in 3D view?Or can use ie3d (...)
RF, Microwave, Antennas and Optics :: 18.02.2009 02:28 :: hjien :: Replies: 1 :: Views: 682
I'm new with simulation and antenna design. I'm triying to simulate a probe-fed rectangular patch antenna on a finite ground plane.
I designed this antenna by transmission line model using fiberglass as dielectric substrate with Er=4.4 and h=1.52mm.
The size of this patch is L=29.47mm and W=38.03mm. The size of the ground plane is Lg=3
Electromagnetic Design and Simulation :: 02.07.2009 14:11 :: clark09 :: Replies: 0 :: Views: 1047
i dont think dats d far as i ie3d finite ground plane is only possible by setting real part of conductivity of 0 layer to 0 and den d process i mentioned before....
Electromagnetic Design and Simulation :: 06.12.2010 07:19 :: cant-bury :: Replies: 6 :: Views: 1121
For ie3d, it defines an infinite ground plane. Will this affect the accuracy of the result??
It is true what mahojazz suggested. In my view, you can start with ie3d since it is very easy and fast to design an antenna with air substrate. After you are happy with the results from ie3d, you can (...)
RF, Microwave, Antennas and Optics :: 11.11.2007 09:24 :: ckJJ :: Replies: 5 :: Views: 1845
What do you mean half ground plane? On ie3d, you can define infinite ground on substrate or you can define finite ground plane using some polygons. If it is semi-infinite ground, you need to use finite ground to model it. You just add some polygons to represent the finite (...)
Software Problems, Hints and Reviews :: 16.05.2008 15:32 :: nazanin :: Replies: 1 :: Views: 561