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Hello, I need your help. I have to design a bandgap reference. I have studied some design topologies, and I know which topology iam going to use, and I have the spec´s But my problem is, that i am a littel bit confused and I dont know how to start the design. :/ i would appreciate if you could give me (...)
To design "anything" , 1st you define all input and output constraints and environmental range and supply range. Then you define stability, tolerance and start/stop behavior. Then you can compare solutions. Using custom L/W ratio bandgap voltage reference you can choose e. g. 1.5 (...)
Hi all: I am design a bandgap circuit, and the operation voltage (AVDD) is 5V ~ 20V. My structure is cascode current mirror. The process is High Voltage BCD process. Each MOS characteristic that in my circuit is : 0
I would suspect that the Schmitt threshold is too close, but on the wrong side of, the bandgap output voltage and yet the startup circuit cannot be removed without the bandgap core collapsing. The startup looks too simple to me. start with breaking that feedback loop and (...)
You could start with just what "didn't work" means. A result you didn't like, or failure to produce a result at all? bandgap / PTAT loops without explicit startup mechanisms, can easily converge in one testbench and fail in another, because when they start up they're doing so on "numerical noise" which (...)
Add some deliberate leakage (a very low current source or large resistor) to prevent it starting. Then add the startup circuit and check it does start. You may be able to do it with "initial conditions" although I usually add deliberate leakage. Keith
i have designed a RC osc circuit, and using a bandgap to generate the reference current and reference voltage of the osc, when simulating the bandgap only, the start up time is 1ms orso; but when i simulate the bandgap and osc together, the bandgap's (...)
look at the figure. there is not only one 'degenerate' bias point in this bandgap and the output would settling down to a strange value in some case (the normal start-up circuit can only eliminate the zero current bias point). I couldn't find a paper discussed the start-up and 'degenerate' bias point of this (...)
Please have a check for your start-up circuit. Is it turned off completely?
I think start-up loop have too big gain. So pls try to reduce some. and pls check start-up loop stability.
you need start-up circuit for bandgap. but i think in terms of simulation, you can get the right operation point even without start-up. anyway, what's the size of Q1 and Q2, respectively?
Hi All, I have a bandgap reference circuit, which works fine in simulation. (Both DC temperature sweep and transient sweep give satisfactory results.) As this is my first fabrication, I am a bit concerned about the start-up and also the stability of the circuits. startup the (...)
How to check the operating point of the start up circuit of the bandgap reference is turn off after the whole circuit is working? (when i ramp my input from 0 to 5V) You can use the writefinal option. See this thread . ... can anyone give me som
break the negative feedback at the output and inject an ac signal, like you do for ac analysis of amplifiers. You may need to set an initial condition for the output voltage to get it to start up, but probably won't
You might try using a wilson current mirror (which has more headroom) rather than a widlar current mirror, or forgo using Q5 and Q6. If you can make Q3, Q4, Q5, Q6 and Q7 pmos, you will not have base current errors, just an idea. I have made startups like this also. Try connecting the emitter of Qs to the base of Q1 or Q2, (...)
Hi there, I am a analog behavioral modeling engineer. I am developing analog power supply behavioral model now. I will develope "bandgap reference model" by using AMS language. During the development i wish to verify the following charasteristic: 1. start-up characteristic: Vout vs Vin 2. load characteristic: Vout vs Iload 3.temperature ch
looks like a simple biasing circuit were Vbn and Vcn can be used to bias the N network of lets say for example an opamp, and Vbp and Vcp are used to bias the P network of the same opamp. All the transistors at the far left seem to be part of the start-up circuit. Hope this helps, diemilio
I designed Bandgap voltage reference and startup circuit for it. I have read topics about BGVR and startup. I verify startup this way: make Vdd constant value (or use vpwl source and ramp on Vdd), set initial conditions for nodes and make transient (...)
Hi All, I would like to work in Analog Design field... I have 2+ years in Std cell & custom memory layout and SOC physical Design knowledge/experience.. Please guide me where to start... What are all the stuffs that I need to concentrate?. Rgds, Kumar
hi i attch the bandgap circuit. Do we need start up circuit for this bandgap and why? thanks
Oh, its very simple, charge the nodes to zero, the nodes the start-up circuit has to charge. PMOS gates will get a VDD level and NMOS gates will get a VSS level. The problem with the normal sim is that it estimates the iniital conditions and arrive at the final value because there is a positive feedback inherently in the (...)
Simulate the supply ramping with a transient simulation. Use either a positive and a negative offset on your error amplifier. If only one polarity works you get the issue. startup in CMOS bandgap set the operating point at a value where the PTAT generate enough voltage to overcome offsets.
as we know, bandgap circuit has two stable operating points,so a start up circuit is needed;but i find that when i disable my start up circuit,and make vdd a fixed dc voltage, for example 1.8v for smic 0.18mm process, the output vref can still start up after a longer time about 200ms;while i enable my (...)
You just need to bias for the core of bandgap then using either Vbg compare with a VT or the current which generate by delta Vbe/R compare with an other current to finish start up. Thus either Vbg>VT or delta Vbe>I then you can release start up circuit. Best
hi i am designing bandgap reference circuit second order temperature correction using exact method. i want to know how i can implement that means how to start and from where i can get study material on eaxact method pz help me out in my project. regards aadi
Usually bandgap circuits includes start up. After start you can use self biasing.
I am not expert in the field but what comes to my mind is : - choosing right components for signal conditioning (16 adc AN from manufacturers is good start point ) - filtering input signal (LPF and bandgap filter) - averaging results on duration of noise frequency period (50 Hz) - right layout - clean power - calibration - in (...)
Sure it is bandgap reference. MO~M3 are for start up circuit.
Does your circuit work like this? When the VDD begin to get higher and higher, bandgap work normally, after that, por start to work, then the chip begin to work. If your chip work like this, you can use your own idea.
Dear all, I want to design a 0.6v of Vref in the bandgap as shown below. But, I have a question that is how do I determine the (W/L) of each transistor? and, how to determine the current of each transistor? Thanks so much!!!!! (Tech. Process is TSMC 0.18um, Vdd is 1.8v)
Hi, I want know how can I, simulate start-up circuit for bandgap. thanks in advance.
how does mixed signal design differ from analog design? how shjould i start studying mixed signal design?
go for the bekar book for startup circuit
Before simulation you should estimate the actural power up time. Then run simulation with different power up time. Added after 3 minutes: In addition, you must simulate start up of all corners and temperature The corners of mosfet, bjt and resistor should be uncorrelated.
Increase your startup helper current injection and switch it off after the bandgap reach near its full voltage.
Remove the start up circuit the circuit will usually work. sometimes the permofrmance even improves.
Try this link: and goto start-up Circuitry section .. Regards, IanP
I need startup circuit for bangap voltage reference and value for R1 and R2. VDDA=5V
Does the brokaw-cell bandgap reference need the startup circuit?? Thanks
Where you add the cap? If you add a cap C shunted to the R, the C and CgsMS would form a capacitive divider, this turn on the MS and make the bandgap start faster then charge MS through R.
Is that possible to design the power-down and start-up circuit for the bandgap voltage reference at the same time? When I add the startup circuit for my bandgap, then the power-down isn't work anymore. Anyone can recommend the paper or examples about badgap with both of power-down and (...)
I recommend you to read the "CMOS Analog circuit design " edit by Allen to get the start, then to find the IEEE papers to study the advance architecture.
Are you sure of the connections you made with your OpAmp (positive and negative inputs)? The voltage you see is from a DC or TRAN simulation? If it comes from a DC simulation, what you see is the initial state if some start-up circuit is there. Maybe you circuit have more than one stable solution.
Hi Jordan76, I found with LEDs that they have a much better voltage/current characteristics than for instance Zener diodes, even at a few mA forward current when they just start to light. So they can be used as a low voltage current regulator very nicely. A red LED has a forward voltage at around 1.5V and a white LED has around 4.2V. By conne

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